David R. Farley, MD, Rochester, Minn:My congratulations to Dr Niederee and his coauthors for a very succinct presentation. While this is not the best science of this meeting, in my mind this work is the most important of the 28 papers presented here in Vancouver. The authors compiled some 1600 responses regarding duty hour regulations collected from nearly half of the 259 general surgerytraining programs across the United States. These data represent less than 20% of the current 7000 American general surgery residents and an even lesser percentage of surgical staff and program directors. While one must be extremely careful to attribute these opinions to the greater group, I personally do agree with the authors' conclusions and the state of affairs in surgery training today, which I summate as follows:
1. Most general surgery residents currently work more than 80 hours per week.
2. Less than half of all residents get 1 day off the pager per week.
3. Most residents feel their current workload is acceptable.
4. Most residents do prefer duty hour restrictions; most surgical faculty do not.
As a program director for the past 6 years and having lured 10 categorical and 15 preliminary residents each year into surgery, I am incredibly biased and opinionated on this subject. While not prone to emotional outbursts or having political aspirations of any kind, I apologize that my discussion of this paper gets personal. I would like to go on record in front of this distinguished group of surgical leaders to state the following:
1. Libby Zion's death was tragic. It seems to have occurred secondary to poor decision making and poor supervision. Fatigue was not a crucial factor in her demise.
2. Generating training and duty hour regulations from our own governing body before the government or public does so is prudent and laudable.
3. The current ACGME mandates will, without any doubt:
Entice more medical students to become surgeons. In fact, the quantity of applicants is up more than 200 medical students this year over last year already.
Lessen work hours for trainees on busy services and foster a better work-life balance for surgical trainees.
4. The current ACGME mandates unfortunately will also:
Have a negative effect on the training of future general surgeons: less hours, less experience, less operations, less decision making.
Decrease the supervision of trainees.
Create an environment of less ownership and responsibility for the care of each individual patient.
Force evil-minded and penny-pinching program directors like myself to actually increase the work hours for trainees on less busy services as they cover call slots for trainees on busier services.
Decrease the quality of care patients currently receive.
Change the fabric of surgery and expectations of surgeons in this country.
5. Our program and 7800 other fellowships and programs throughout the country should attempt and will try to comply with these duty hour regulations, but I for one do so with great reservation and caution.
The residents we train are worried about less operations, less experience, and less education in a field where knowledge grows exponentially. Preparing young surgeons for a lifetime of commitment to their patients and their specialty is not an easy process. I personally feel it is similar to preparing young marines for combat. We shouldn't offer up a training regimen that is easier than their final task. Soldiers do practice in foxholes, and they do go without sleep. So do surgical trainees. Many have commented on the similarity of surgical training to aviation training. While I like the thought of my pilot being rested and refreshed prior to takeoff, flying airplanes is easy compared with the art of surgery. Thousands of surgeons fly airplanes in their spare time. I don't know of a single pilot who does surgery on the side.
Give me the dedicated surgery resident who reevaluates the elderly man with a subdural hematoma. Only he or she knows if the right-hand grip is stronger or weaker. You can't pass along that information on a crib sheet to some poor soul covering 6 other services that night. Evolving peritoneal signs in an 8-year-old boy happen on the job, not between on-call, "wanna-be physicians." Walking out of an operation because your 80 hours are up seems preposterous. Make no mistake, I am all for making life better for trainees. However, I am not for lowering the quality of care of patients. These regulations, well meaning as they are, will do just that.
My question to the authors is simplistic: Short of increasing remuneration and Medicare payments, or all surgeons taking pay cuts to pay for additional care providers, or simply taking all of the extra call on ourselves, do you in Wichita have any novel thoughts about how to adhere to the regulations yet not allow the training of our future surgeons to suffer or the quality of patient care to steadily decline?
Claude H. Organ, Jr, MD, Oakland, Calif: The panel discussion and dialogue that we are having now are very necessary. The answer to this has to be professional. It can't be legal or legislative. We must show our interest, dedication, and commitment to something more than the green screen and our wallet biopsy if we are going to be the role models for young surgeons that we should be. Downloading the services to the faculty is not going to be the answer because you are going to hear a hue and cry from them right away.
My final thought: I think there are going to be rebound phenomena here in which a lot of very good students will continue to apply, and those who never had a real commitment are not going to be applying and taking up our time. I sense that already this year. The pool of candidates we are seeing is superior. I am pleased to see so many people interested in this problem. We should solve this problem before the solution is put on us by someone else.
Stephen G. Jolley, MD, Anchorage, Alaska: I have a question regarding the data presented. An average age of 31 years for the resident pool seems pretty high if most of the respondents were first-year residents. If that is true, did the authors look at the responses with respect to the ages of the residents?
Gary L. Dunnington, MD, Springfield, Ill: I would like to thank the authors for bringing to our attention something that we have known for many years but have done so little about. It reminds me of the observation made by health improvement organizations that there is typically a 10-year gap between confirmation of new scientific knowledge and incorporation of that knowledge into clinical practice. The message has been clear for at least the last 3 years that general surgery programs have been the most frequent offenders of work hour guidelines and more important, that the percentage of programs cited in this area has remained unchanged.
Some have expressed concern as to the possible fallout in quality patient care as ultimate proof that we are on the wrong track with work hour guidelines. David Leach, executive director of the ACGME, has suggested that we can probably anticipate some patient care problems with these work hour changes. It is not because reform is not the right thing to do, but instead because the system was designed with the resident filling all the cracks in a broken system. With limited resident work hours, they will be less available to back up system problems, and this may result in patient care difficulties. The fault, however, is not with the reform but with the system.
There is a piece of data here that I think is very important for everyone to note. Fifty-three percent of program directors in this country, despite everything we have seen for the last number of years, still believe the new ACGME guidelines are not appropriate for surgical-training programs. I believe this stance potentially bodes poorly for these residency-training programs, since medical students are listening and requesting information on how program directors will be dealing with this issue. A number of medical students will be pursuing surgical training who may not have considered it a few years ago specifically because of work hour reform. Program directors who resist changes fail to recognize this as a societal issue and, I believe, put their programs at risk in the recruitment of high-quality future surgical house staff. On the other hand, I am encouraged by program directors who recognize that this work hour reform offers great opportunity for restructuring of surgical training to enhance both the quality of the educational experience and the quality of resident life during surgical training.
Rawson James Valentine, MD, Dallas, Tex: There is 1 remaining problem that we seem to have forgotten about and that is attrition of residents who are already in the surgery programs. This trend seems to be increasing also, but attrition has not improved with the work hour restrictions. I found 1 piece of data in this presentation very disturbing, that 23% of the respondents regret having gone into surgery. Were most of the respondents who answered in the affirmative in their junior year, or was this a trend spread across all 5 years of training?
Donald E. Fry, MD, Albuquerque, NM: This is certainly a provocative presentation, and I would rise to say that we as a program in New Mexico have already gone to the 80-hour week beginning in July of 2001. Our solution may not be the correct one, but it's the one we have chosen, since it was the only way with our program the size it is that we could do it. That was to go to an every fourth night call and a centralized float of residents, which has had the expected outcome that the in-house attending covering general surgery and trauma has become the provider of the evening, that the attending is in fact the only shred of continuity of care that exists for the patient, and that we now are wondering when the 80-hour workweek for the attendings is going to become necessary, since most of the attending faculty are in fact working more than 80-hour weeks. And you don't have to have too many 24- and 36-hour shifts in-house to run up some pretty big numbers. One of the real problems I presented at the Society of Surgical Chairs last month in San Franciscoand this now gets to the issue of what are the differences in faculty compensation in full-time academic positions compared with comparable incomes of individuals who are in private practice (since my faculty are arguing the point that I am now working like a private practitioner, and I am on every night taking the constipation calls for my patients, so why shouldn't we be compensated in kind?)is that the MGMA [Medical Group Management Association] data for 2001 show the comparison of faculty and full-time specialty-specific private practice incomes, and in general the private surgeon makes about 20% to 50% more than what the full-time academic faculty member makes. That's MGMA data; that is not Fry's data. In general surgery it is about 20% more. For trauma surgeons in private trauma centers, it's a full third more. For pediatric surgeons and for neurosurgeons, it's actually 50% more. So I think that what we are really confronting now in our institutionnearly 18 months into being what I believe is truly compliant with 80-hour weeks, being compliant with 1 full day offis the problem that the dissatisfaction of the residents has been fully transferred to the dissatisfaction of the attending staff, and I would encourage our senior attending staff and others in the audience to explain to me how we will solve the next step. I think the fact that we have had 4 presentations on this 1 paper reflects that this subject is of interest to this entire group.
Ramon Cestero, MD, Oakland: I am a chief resident at the UCSF [University of California, San Francisco]East Bay program, and I was curious if the authors had found a correlation between the programs in which both faculty and residents agreed on duty hour restrictions and residents who would choose surgery or medicine again as a career choice. In other words, were residents more satisfied with their career choice in surgical programs in which faculty were more aware or informed about resident duty hours?
James R. DeBord, MD, Peoria, Ill: What can you tell us about the rule that surgery residencies can petition their graduate education committee for a 10% exemption leading to an 88-hour workweek?
Dr Smith: I would like to thank Dr Farley and all of the other discussants for their very pertinent comments and questions. Dr Farley, you inquired whether or not this information had actually helped us to transition into an 80-hour workweek. I would love to tell you that the information has facilitated a graceful transition, but in fact, I think that is probably not the case.
Thus far, we have implemented some initial positive measures to address the issue. These include the employment of a number of physician extenders, which has reduced the amount of time that residents spend in noneducational service activities. Very soon we will implement a night float system, and this is the only way that we could find to meet the ACGME workweek restrictions and the call limitations. Some additional changes that we have made involve resident assignments to specific services, but in all honesty I think the rationale for many of these changes in resident assignments remains fairly obscure. For example, resident participation in emergency surgery, trauma, and critical care has been reduced, and as you all know, these services are particularly dependent on a high level of resident participation and autonomy. Meanwhile, resident assignments to daytime elective services have been preserved. Resident participation in these services is somewhat less critical and at times is quite frankly superfluous. So it would seem that neither concern for patient safety, which I think is the driving force in this issue, nor optimal resident education was the primary consideration in making these changes.
I believe Dr Fry commented on the workload of attending surgeons, and certainly our attending surgeons are working much longer hours and much harder than they were a few months ago. The bottom line is that at the end of the day someone has to take care of the patient, and this is increasingly becoming the attending surgeon.
This point also generates another very difficult question: if a 25- or 30-year-old surgery resident is too fatigued to perform safely after 24 hours on call or after an 80-hour workweek, wouldn't the same be true for a 50- or 60-year-old attending surgeon, or in particular a 47-year-old trauma surgeon? I believe that this question is something that we are going to have to deal with very soon. If we don't address the issue, I believe that governmental agencies may develop a solution for us.
Additionally, in the midst of some of our efforts to comply with the ACGME rules and regulations, our residents are still allowed to moonlight, and I think that this is clearly an extracurricular activity that has little to do with education and that this activity will have to be curtailed in the very near future.
As you can see, we continue to grapple with this revolution in surgical education, and obviously we possess no special insight regarding the optimal approach to these difficult issues. We are continuing to try to put forth our best effort. I personally believe that with the reduction in resident work hours, we are at risk of unleashing on the public incompletely trained surgeons. I see no option other than to lengthen surgical-training programs. I think the bottom line is that we must maintain the quality of surgeons, and unfortunately, with reduced work hours, I think that our residents will be required to spend an extra year in training.
Dr Organ, I agree with you that many of these issues are consumer driven and not resident driven. I have recently discussed this with all of our chief residents. They all believe that the ACGME restrictions will impair surgical education, and in fact they are not in favor of it. I believe that the lifestyle issues dissuade many medical students from applying to surgical-training programs. I believe that the workweek restrictions will increase the number of students applying for surgical residency.
Dr Jolley, the average age for surgical residents truly was 31 years. As the student clerkship director at our institution, I have found that a number of our medical students have had other careers prior to entering medical school. As a rule, the medical students are getting significantly older. We did not specifically break down the responses of the residents by age.
Dr Dunnington, I share your concerns regarding patient care. I believe that continuity of care is going to be a real issue. In fact, I think that if you examine the Libby Zion case in detail, one of the biggest problems in the case was the serial handoff of her care between several residents. I believe this is something that we are going to have to track very closely, or additional errors will be made.
Dr Valentine, I don't know how to address the issue of attrition. We have lost some very good residents from our program in the past 5 years. With 24% of the residents responding that they regretted pursuing a surgical career, I think this is an issue that we must address. We have to pay attention to these numbers. The number of residents who regretted following a surgical career did not diminish as resident seniority increased.
Dr Fry, I think that I have answered your question. I appreciate your comments. The surgical faculty are increasingly becoming senior residents all over again, and there is a tremendous amount of dissatisfaction with this new role that we are filling.
Dr Cestero, we did not match the resident responses with faculty responses. I think that program directors and faculty still serve as important role models, and if there is dissatisfaction in the faculty, that is bound to trickle down to residents.
I am not certain that the option of increasing the workweek to 88 hours will be available to us. If it is available, this option will relieve some of the pressure on surgical residencies. At the present time, we are aiming for an 80-hour workweek for our residents.